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Most people won't hit a 2 iron off the fairway though, so they probably won't take a divot at all As far as bounce goes, do you really think a club going 100 mph is going to be affected by 2 less of bounce? Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. My miss is hitting it fat, so I was especially concerned with how bending them strong would affect bounce. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I play high bounce Ping G30's and have bent some of the clubs in that set that strong. Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM. Novak has finished 11th after the first round in Hawaii, fifth at Torrey Pines and in the top-30 at Pebble Beach and at the Honda. Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. Plenty have broken their duck here, and now the Puerto Rico curse has been resigned to history lets get with a couple of players who have their best days in front of them. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. The swing is dynamic and I seriously doubt that I can hit two balls on the course exactly the same, with my body being exactly in the same position every time. One good example comes to mind. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*, Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Thanks for your advice, its been helpful. Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. You can be assured there is not a single successful player in the professional ranks who does not have a fundamentally sound grip on the club. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. You must log in or register to reply here. As club fitters, you have to find the balance between measurable results and what the customer THINKS is happening. Shane Lowry on the new Srixon ZX Mk II line (fairway wood, utility, ZX5/ZX7 irons). Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid JavaScript is disabled. if we move from a "high launch" to a Low launch shaft, who reduce loft by 2* we also lost 2* bounce. The speed of putts is crucial. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine:Get Bending! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Why knowing the different variations in epoxy matter Here How to create excitement before they take the first What you can expect with a Mitchell Golf Angle Mitchell Golf Equipment Company All rights reserved. And the grip should be light enough to allow supple movement in the wrists during the swing. Best Shaft For Wedges, Need A New Golf Glove? Taylormade SIM UDI 2i / Diamana THUMP 100X, Taylormade P770 3i (bent weak) / Project X LS 6.5, Taylormade P7MC 5-7i, P7MB 8-9i / Project X LS 6.5. Your golf ball starts off towards the left of your target (right for lefties). Paste as plain text instead, Your link has been automatically embedded. If the launch conditions work, what matter the number on the club? They catch a bit but I hit it crispier. Ping G425 Max 10.5 - Ventus Black 6X or G425 LST Ventus - Black 7X, Ping G425 Max 14.5 - Ventus Blue 7X Pasted as rich text. Bounce follows loft in a 1:1 ratio. It is a taylormade udi 2i that I want to bend from 18* to 16*. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? well unfortunately people buy clubs based on their ego and the club manufactures feed it. Often, golfers think they need to make more birdies in order to score better or become a better golfer, when in reality it is minimizing the bad shots and bad holes that can have more impact. Odyssey #7 Tank, I got a set of Titleist 716 cb that are bent 2 degrees strong (they end up being 1 Degree weaker than my old z745 I believe). Lets assume that the launch angle with a modern-lofted set of irons is ideal. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights, Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. Clamp the piece in so only a 1/2 inch below where you want the bend in the angle iron is flush with the top of the vise. In 11 starts since gaining his place at the top level, the 26-year-old has made four cuts, including a first-time-out 12th at the Fortinet, 10th in Bermuda (led after a first round 62), 22nd at the American Express 7th after day one) and top-30 at the Plantation Course last week. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Currently I play a set of old-school Ping Eye 2s, which I love, but I want the benefits of modern irons and forged heads. This is a statistic that is fairly consistent across all abilities of amateur golfers with only a five percent difference across all golfers. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. i dont need that. Humans think theyre logical but when it comes down to it (when the wallet hits the counter), they are controlled by feelings, who they wish they could play like and what company has qualities that match their identity. That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. Sounds like it's a long iron. Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!". A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. Tour Preferred X or TP5x ball. What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Seriously. I realize this can be affected by angle of attack, swing speed, iron/shaft design, and ball design. From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. Well gee, I guess if you cant get a 7 iron in the air, you really do need some help haha. Some people prefer a higher or lower, high- or low-spin ball flight for strategic purposes. No matter what your skill level, you will not optimize your performance with outdated or ill-fitted golf clubs. It would increase if you added loft. I tried it today but I can still hit my 6i farther than my 64 degree lw. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Strengthening adds offset, the sole of the club is effectively moved back, the hosel is fixed, therefore the leading edge of the sole moves away from the ball, adding offset. Compare that with 49-year-old Atwal, with a best of 49th place since 2021 and an average first-round placing of around 120th for his three starts in 2023, and Scott Brown, admittedly a former winner here, but now 719th in the world and who has, since September, withdrawn twice during tournaments, and missed his last two cuts (Pebble and Honda) ranking 99th and 136th for his first round he certainly looks wrong in every way. A flat lie angle is simply when the heel of the golf club is bent so it is higher than the toe. Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. You can post now and register later. How Long Do They Last, Driving Iron Advantages and Disadvantages, You are using clubs that are too tall for you (easy fix is to change the shaft length), You stand far away from the golf ball when making a swing. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. IG: golfer_scott My name is Justin and I am a PGA Golf Professional. All data in this article is gathered from Shot Scopes database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique PRO LX+ laser rangefinder. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Generall, Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. (I ran into this today.) Great answer Blake. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead But bending an iron weak is not as well understood by many golfers, so they are more hesitant. The drop off in make percentage from 3-6 feet and 6-9 feet is huge. So, it is my contention that conditions on the course often vary much more than changing the dynamics of a club by a degree or two. Callaway MD 3 52 bent to 54 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] 16,822. Will bending irons 2 degrees strong promote more of a draw ball flight? Hes happy to answer any of your questions! The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. DO NOT SEND PMs WITH CLUB TECH QUESTIONS - USE THE PUBLIC FORUM. Titleist 620 MB 5-9 Oban CT 125 What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? Good question. I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. On 7/12/2018 at 3:15 PM, PoeKingShankspeare said: Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here, w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. TM TP EF Tour Issue 50* & 56*, 62* Generally though as you decrease theloft of a club by one degree, you reduce its bounce a degree at the same time and if you increase the loft by one degree you increase the bounce by a degree. Espana. I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. OP, which is it you are asking about.. making a club 2* stronger or increasing loft? Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! . Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. I did this to reduce the spin rate. (others have mentioned) I went to GG with my pops and hit the speedblade 9i for sheets and was hitting them 165-170why? So to get the most performance out of each iron, for these low ball hitters, we need to add loft. Would they still be ideal? Clear editor. Or if youre playing in firm conditions, you might want more spin and a higher launch. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." weight removed), (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Titleist Vokey 47* Oban CT 125, 51*, 55*, and 59* Shimada Tour Wedge Black Definitely worth getting L/L check done and adjusted where necessary. I think it depends on the player and his swing. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. I am not sure exactly what you are asking with the final 2 questions, are you asking should the 5 and 7 iron have the same launch conditions as the 6 iron, or would there be any issues if your 5 iron or the 7 iron launched like the ideal conditions for the 6 iron? Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. In the last six years, Tony Finau and Viktor Hovland both broke their maiden here, whilst after a period of personal tragedy, multiple winner, Branden Grace, bounced back to form. You may want to try searching if you need more info. The risk that the club will break at the hosel is too high. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. This will reduce any penalty shots and subsequently the number of doubles-or-worse in your round. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. Club fitters are able to bend clubs to increase or decrease the lie angle using a loft, lie bending machine. Upload or insert images from URL. I completely agree with this! A typical #6 iron on the Tour is 31* on loft but Dynamic loft is average only 20.2 Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. That is why getting the numbers is so important. That means judging any of this due to the club head alone and isolated makes no sense, we have to include the player and his delivery of the head since thats what matters for if we can / should go weaker or stronger or leave it as it is. It would decrease the bounce on each club, not a good idea, as well as it would cause the ball to go farther. Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. Thats basically what companies are doing anyway. Its not about research or information, its about ego and emotion. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Can you bend a metal wood? Sitemap. Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year. traditional lofts ftw (let the technology be what determines added length/distance, not loft changes). Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Does that create the maximum distance for that ball speed? That said, people will usually launch clubs higher with a longer shaft length as well, (mechanical advantage/physics) so again, it kind of goes hand in hand with the stronger lofts. This also gives me room for more wedges. Bounce means nothing. Or, is the bounce all the same? However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. *Performance average removes all outliers good and bad, to give a distance based on how far a well struck shot will go. An ideal Launch Angle and Spin Rate for a Ball Speed with a 6 iron of 115 MPH would be right about 15-16* and 6000 RPMs respectively. It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. Reduce the loft & you reduce the bounce which, on the longer clubs, is quite small anyway. A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. I know it will increase the bounce. All rights reserved. TM TP UDi #3, MC 4-7, MB 8-P w/ Tour V S+ If the added ball speed of modern irons is not enough to achieve an ideal landing angle, I have to add loft. However, even a degree difference can affect the direction where the ball might start out and can be the difference between you hitting the green, and you landing in a bunker! If anything I am a digger in the golf swing. Changing the loft on clubs can really screw with the visual look of them at address and change the playing characteristics. If so why mess with perfection. You must log in or register to reply here. The Wedge Guy: What really makes a wedge work. The new era of stronger lofts is all about how far to hit 7 iron vs how close to hit 7 iron and more accurate. Say you have a modern set that is 3-PW, 19*-45*. Restore formatting, So glad this was posted. Thanks for the insight! I am glad you mentioned shaft length, static lengths for GI clubs, how it impacts flight, etc. Can someone please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of increasing loft on an iron by 2 degrees? Craig, Everyone tries to boast yardage, not consistency and accuracy. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. For example, the first generation M2 5-iron has a loft of 21.5. One good example comes to mind. "so, any advice, I keep air mailing greens with my PW from 140, this is really hurting my score. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If experience still trumps explanations, simulations and printouts, print out some ebay listings there are lots of older sets with barely used 3 irons.