are put in place, wall mirrors hung etc. Why would there be 60+ of drain pipe for the kitchen sink, (accept to keep plumbers in Cadillacs?). WillPaulYes, I think the weight is getting out of hand and you are asking for more problems.Keep in mind that mobile home manufacturers have engineers on staff full time. The sheathing and house wrap functions are being combined we already see hybrid OSB systems with an exterior surface that is also a water control layer. Additionally, the ceiling is lowered onto the home and fastened in place with metal straps. The function of the house wrap in this wall assembly is both rainwater control and a contribution to the assembly air tightness. OK so the payback was 52 yearsthere are other reasons to build with 2x6. The metal track attached to the 2x 6 board weighs approximately 25lbs and will span a distance of 5 at the top of the wall next to the ceiling. He still sneaks up on you! After framing and siding, before wiring and plumbing, build a second wall inside the exterior wall, running parallel. Besides, homeowners do so much creative work you couldnt trust the plans in any case.Im afraid you are on your own.Paul, Mike BizzaroAll Im in a Buddy mobile home.There is a nocturnal pest of some sort in the ceiling. Pargeting is often referred to as the decorative relief in the plaster itself. CarolWe have a double wide and want to take down a closet in the middle of the kitchen, to open up to the living area, should be be worried about a support beamPaulIf the wall you want to remove is on the marriage line where the two halves of the house come together you do NOT want to remove it. Finally the 2nd exterior wall is lowered and fastened into place. PaulI have a 2000 Homes of Merit double wide. It was braced in 1 spot before I got it. One more question for Paul: can we cut off the tongue and pull out the bench seat existing?PaulHi Alison,Cutting off the tongue shouldnt be a problem. I have read that the interior walls are not load bearing, but are they secured to the roof rafters at all? 2x6 construction homeimprovementdiva 13 years ago What is better 16 O.C. +44 (0)7540 787812 frances@constructionandbuildingphotography.com. Ive read on your page that if the wall is in the middle where the two halves are put together then that is not to be removed. This is my first time living in a Mobile home so please forgive my ignorance in this question: I would like to have a party here but am unsure how many people I can invite because of the extra weight on the floor in the main area (front room, kitchen). I would step all around toilets, sinks, windows, doors, etc. These headers are 7 1/4" wide, and 3 1/2" thick, so they work nicely in a 2x4 wall. Alan, The main panel box is installed and breakers, etc. ERI (Energy Rating Index)- Have a HERS Rater do a rating on the house and score a 52-55 (depending on climate zone) or better. Our kitchen sink had been getting slower, Read More Murphy Never Sleeps! Insulation is unrolled between the studs. Note the close spacing of the vertical intermediate posts. A physical inspection needs someone young and skinny who knows where to (carefully) place their hands and feet or you will be coming back to the website to look into ceiling repairs. Thank you.PaulHi Faith,I wouldnt worry about it. I find that difficult because repair people tend to work in a very limited area and there is no way for me to hear about them. ), or even to the plywood, and leave the 22s exposed and paint them. Hi Kevin, i have attached a few photos, they are the best my phone can take, i can dig out the camera if need be, i found some flat nails when i was removing the fiberglass in the headers for the cellulose, so i assume that is what the house is made of The pay back on 2x8 construction in years VS $ would not be worth it. G.LeeMy son had a 1992 single wide set up on my parents farm, which I bought to live in it while I cared for aging parents. The weight will be directly over the I beams which is good.I dont know what sort of feet come on pool tables but if you wanted to distribute the weight you might consider putting down some plywood squares under the table. Cavity wall insulation was first introduced during the 1970s, becoming compulsory in the 1990s for all new UK buildings. The history of construction is as old as the history of humanity. Sits on Jacks that sit on dirt. Do you mind sharing your opinion on installing a barn door on an interior wall of a 1981 Marlette? Guess what the animal dung was for? just not sure. of Housing and Urban Development). So if you see such framing and are wondering how it passed, they probably also used blue insulation on the outside, or something else to achieve r20. Authority: 42 U.S.C. The vinyl is then covered with a protective mat or plastic sheeting. Im not sure I am visualizing your layout correctly, but things like seats are normally installed last and have no load bearing or sturctural importance.Janet SteuerI bought a 1969 Detroiter, 12 x 65 with a 12 x 50 addition on it.. a friend of mine put 6x6s in the entry between living room and addition room. Can you tell me if this is a common practice in these types of homes? The term clapboards comes from the Dutch klaphout (klappen, to split, crack). It is just the 3/8 wall board, probably 2 x 3 studs and then 1/4 foam board and then my vinyl siding. A Surprising Financial Study of 2x6 Construction, I have been in the energy business for the last 12 years or so in one capacity or another. VickyI have a 1978 Conch Double Wide with a standard pitch roof. You do NOT want to do anything that might weaken them.It would be much cheaper to buy a bed that fits.PaulTammieI was afraid that was the answer I was going to get, lol, thank you for replying, Paul. Any idea what this thing sticking out from under the trailer could be and if it is a serious problem?PaulWithout a picture I cant be sure, but on older mobile homes the hitch was frequently left in place and the skirting cut to fit around it. That's what the term 16 OC, or 'on center' means in construction lingo. You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. Toilets leak, windows get left open in the rain, flower pots leak, and all can cause floor problems. Examine any unfinished exterior wall in the basement or in a closet and measure the width of the studs. R&D courtesy of the US DOE Building America Program. Mobile homes can be a very affordable way to make a comfortable retirement home. It seems like a huge expense. Cavity insulation not yet installed. On the evolutionary trail instead of Australopithecines, we will start with timber framing. Though it was developed by the military in the 1940s, it didn't become popular in homes until the late 1970s and early 1980s. So how do I find out where the ceiling wires are? Polyurethane spray foam insulation was considered one of the greatest advancements in home insulation. Read the old books. In addition the walls rest on the very end of the outriggers so weight their puts the maximum stress (leverage) onto the support system. CarolThanks for your replay. 1.1: What Is OSB? Cavity insulation got a pretty inauspicious start in America as compressed eel grass (Cabots Quilt) at the turn of the last century. We still see this distinction today regionally in the United States and in Australia and New Zealand, no sheathing, just an exterior cladding. Get more support under the addition and make sure it is tight against the house wall but dont expect the wall to support any kind of load. When you buy a older mobile home on leased land you are REALLY locked in. Once the wood frame is complete he grabs a hot glue gun and runs a bead of glue along the edges of all the wood. If this happens and is not corrected, the walls have voids which are going to reduce the efficiency of the heating and cooling systems. Photograph 4: Waltrop HouseGermany, 1400, wattle-and-daub infill panels with an exposed timber frame. It also lead to the introduction of layers of horizontally installed boards thicker than the clapboards - called sheathing all for the purpose of supporting the clapboards. That study can be found at. What if you opened the trap and worked on the nearby lines?Your diswasher comment bothers me a little. Our home is on a poured concrete basement that still looks good and solid. I really appreciate the fast reply. When I walk carefully around on it, it seems to only have trusses about four feet apart. This distance will be a little more than 8 inches if you have 2-by-6-inch framing and a little more than 6 inches if you have 2-by-4-inch framing. Note the weaving of the wattle. Look below all the window sills for evidence that caulk around the window frame has failed and is letting water seep through. You must be a magazine subscriber to access this feature. jamiePaul I have a 1969 Marlette. If you are a developer building 2,200 sq/ft houses, saving $2,141.90 per house can add up! Prescriptive-In order to meet the code prescriptively (just do what the code says) you have to have a wall cavity R- value of 20 or you can have a cavity R-value of 13 plus R-5 continuous. The end of World War II caused the modular market to truly explode and greatly evolve. However, this is a very temporary solution because the dealers or customers are going to find these problems on the lot or after it has been set. How did we keep the water out of all those buildings before the use of building paper? Have you ever heard of this before?PaulIm coming up blank on this one. Hammer in wedges to force the sagging wall parts upward. Ive had several spots that leaked due to snow on the roof (I live in Iowa and the polar vortex last year wasnt easy on my roof). Maybe for a while? If the I beams fail, can I fix?PaulMake the most of it, spend the least possible, consider any money spent as spent, not an investment. The cost is minimal compared to the benefits. I want to move the stove to the middle of the kitchen and build an island around it. TomPaul,I hope youre still around. My house looks mostly like the victory style in that pdf file, but not quite, and i am surrounded by Regency, Edwardian, and some late Victorian. They can pull the trap a long way before they stop moving. The house appears to have been originally 3 rooms (living and two bedrooms now) and an extension with crawlspace was added later (also made the same way except for one partial wall, barnboard-plater-lath-plaster, entire house balloon framed). body walking around the table as I play?Thanks!-TomPaulIm still around, sometimes. That means a contractor who does that kind of work has to bid higher. The first really big thing was the shortage of skilled labor. The problem is that after all that time and effort you would still have an old mobile home or an old trailer. We simply use 1"x6" lumber to frame around the door. It seems to me the insurance company shouldnt need to know anything else. RexaI want to put up an interior wall to make two rooms from one. In terms of cavity insulation we are seeing a trend away from fiberglass batts to spray applied systems. Setup can raise tough issues because of the number of organizations involved. Just for fun, I have attached a list of the defects a new homeowner might want to check for before accepting delivery of their home. Even more questions, what is the R value per inch of loose fill cellulose, the company i hired did it instead of dense pack so i will have to get it fixed someday. Mobile homes are built to handle snow loads and other stresses, so there may be enough strength to do what you plan, especially since what you describe spreads out the load.It may not apply in your case, but many mobile home owners dont realize the walls are supported on outriggers which are not designed to hold extra weight either. They really do not have the strength to support more weight.For what you describe I think you will need to think about a roof-over with all the weight of new materials supported by posts set on the ground.Paul, JustinI have a shult single wide made in 2001. How long has it been since the last rent increase? So is this a common problem? These three really, really big things lead to one of the greatest construction booms in history and the advent of affordable housing. ruler, just measure the thickness of the exterior wall at any door or window opening. Roofing. I have 1994 16 x 70 Commodore I need to do serious repairs on and looking for specs has been futile. A 2x4 wood fame with studs at 16 inch centers with 1 inch thick board sheathing installed horizontally (sometimes diagonally if any adults were involved or if there was access to a structural engineer) on the exterior and wood lath and plaster on the interior. Mobile homes as we know them today came about in 1926 with automobile-pulled trailers or "Trailer Coaches." These were designed as a home away from home . They also dont waste a lot of time tacking wire to the studs inside the walls. On June 15, 1976, HUD established construction and safety standards for mobile homes because they were becoming widely-used as permanent housing. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7a277ab26c053b50 Well, you canwith the right compliance method. Floors. $1.95 sq/ft- 2x4 construction, 1 exterior foam board and R-13 cavity. Were houses insulated in the 1950s? When planed 2 x4 studs first came into use they were 1 5/8 by 3 5/8 they switched to the current size sometime after the early 1950's, . The modern round wire nails began replacing square cut nails shortly before 1900. This feature has been temporarily disabled during the beta site preview. AlisonMatt, Im wanting to do the same thing. It is fastened at one end and then stretched from the other. To tell you the truth I dont know if it was like this when I got it or not.I tried jacking on the edge of the floors , in one area and it came back,but I was afraid to have all that weight on the floor edge. Regardless of how you get the insulation up top, it will pay for itself in just a few years. They normally arrive at the jobsite in 20'lengths. Mobile Homes built before 1976 were constructed to much lower standards than those built later. PaulHi Paul; I want to add a 30x16 porch to a 12x65 trailer, will the outside wall sustain the roofweight or should Iuse 44 under the 2x6x30 board?PaulDont add ANY weight to the home! Homes built prior to 1976 had only one or two inches of insulation wrapped around the walls, floor and ceiling, 2 x 2 or 2 x 3 studs, uninsulated air ducts in the floor and ceiling, no ceiling vapor barrier, and jalousie windows. It's fairly common to see stucco-clad buildings in California without any sheathing, and clapboard siding was often installed directly on the studs in many older wood-framed buildings in the Northeast, especially in rural areas. 3535 (d), 5403, 5404, and 5424. The frame wall is undergoing another revolution (okay, it just seems that way because not much has changed in 150 years) a 2x6 frame at 24-inch centers and single top and bottom plates is likely to replace the conventional 2x4 frame. In addition, some homes built between 1967? It may also be used in areas where extra soundproofing may be needed, such as near a highway. Holes are drilled through the bottom of the wall and the floor material and metal sleeves hammered into place. Explore if there is a path to code compliance with 2x4 construction. Amazing, but true. Our Privacy PolicyEditorial Policies and Conditions of Use, Building Performance and Enclosure Consulting, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stave_church, http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1999/4/1999_4_50.shtml, BSD-007: Historical Development of the Building Enclosure, BSI-035: We Need To Do It Different This Time, BSD-042: Historical Development of the Building Enclosure, BSD-112: Building Science for Strawbale Buildings. I used to get $80-100 each. Sorry I wasnt more clear before. The ceiling or wall panels are then set in place.So you end up with a solid bead of glue the entire width of the 2 x 4 that runs from one end to the other.I have heard complaints about what a chore it is to remove all the old glue, but never that the glue joint has failedPaul, LeeDear Paul,Trying to help a friend who has a 1982 Marlette, 1470. From the same source, mobile home "is the term used for manufactured homes produced prior to June 15, 1976, when the HUD Code went into effect." [2] Whats my best fix short of major construction? Thanks for your time and your advice! Frank Nunes, when I refer to you as a dauber I am not insulting youit was an honorable old profession and you are certainly getting older. 2x6 walls are bigger than 2x4 walls. may be promised and then not delivered. how the trusses are attached. Average U value- Beef up insulation in some areas so you can skimp in others as long as the average U-Vale is the same or better than a reference house. Could we place a support beam across the ceiling, or would that have to much weight for the house?PaulIm sure that with the proper support in the ceiling and possibly some extra support under the home it can be done. It was a family cottage industry kind of thing. Do we see how repairing or replacing a ceiling panel can be a challenge? I am of the opinion that necessity is the mother of all invention and that has principally driven the evolution of wood frame design. Ok, so lets talk about the ways you can pass the code in Michigan. This distance will be a little more than 8 inches if you have 2-by-6-inch framing and a little more than 6 inches if you have 2-by-4-inch framing. 1949 National Trailer: 1949 National Trailer It seems to have been in use much earlier in the eastern parts of England (Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, familiar names to the Yanks who were stationed there during the Second World War with the Eighth Air Force). I was wondering if there was a quick way to find out where the wires are. It wasn't until 1953 that the TCMA finally changed its name to the Mobile Home Manufacturers of America and began focusing on bigger and better homes for full-time living. It will open a new window and you will have to scroll down to see the article. It's a good idea to know the size of the framing in your house. Her roof is leaking. While all of this weatherboard, clapboard and sheathing evolution was going on things were also happening with the other stuff used as infill between the posts and staves. Diagonal bracing kept the frames from falling over. Conclusion Newer manufactured homes that conform to HUD standards put in place in 1976 will provide a home that is built to weather the test of time. I want to tear all off, metal and tear out floors one end to other but would love some drawings to go off of if you can save me a lot of workPaulHi Jill,If you find any, please let me know. Can I get a prefab one or should I be concerned about weight? The use of pre-fabrication goes back over a hundred years. Modern mobile home manufacturing plants are marvels of organizational efficiency. We didnt build this. Big wood rats get up there, and I really need to get it sealed off..my floors get cold! This was adopted by the various provinces and municipalities in Canada during the next 20 years. Even the ancestry of the Dutch name ties in with Dutch and Danish settlements in East Anglia (the aforementioned Norfolk, Suffolk). Is there some reason the humidity in the home would be exceptionally high? Leaving the timber frame exposed was eventually found to be a bad idea when the timber frame moved it further cracked the infill wattle-and-daub panels as it lead to more water entry. In the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (HUD) Title 24, Sbtitle B, Chapter XX, Part 3285 describes Model Manufactured Home Installation Standards, given for 2022 and older years in the list below. Once you know that you will be able, Manufactured home manufacturers The manufacturer is responsible for the home itself. It was not a water control layer. It has been argued that it happened the other way around. Having spent a lifetime in manufacturing and fabrication, and having the equipment necessary at hand, I spliced another 10 of snake onto the existing snake and still with 60 of snake I have not been able to unplug the drain. Lumber prices have had a volatile year. March 4, 2022. As soon as the walls are placed, the electricians can begin pulling the lines that were dropped in place by the floor crew. Insert a straight edge into the gap as far as it will go and note the measurement on the stud framing the door or window. We are needing an estimate because of a fire and the demolition costs included getting rid of contents as well.It doesnt have to be exact but ballpark would be fine. We are in the process of possibly buying a newly built home. Do you have a idea for me it would be helpful thanks! The Act also amended many laws related to municipal finance and governance and certain public construction bid laws - M.G.L. That is NOT a place you want to experience.Paul, KaraHi there! Areas of the floor that will be covered with vinyl get sanded. Save Sort by: Oldest worthy 13 years ago The standards that must be met depend on where the home will be located. loriHii have a 1979 1468 mobile home with a metal roof. The plan to plan variation is not great and anyone who has worked at the factory for more than a few weeks has all the variations memorized. Electrical and Assembly. when did 2x6 construction start in albertahomer community schools calendar. Turn on every light. Advertisement 3 If your house . With a cord attached you can pull the trap out and avoid a week or two of really unpleasant aroma.Paul. Look under sinks for evidence of leaks. All this gets us balloon framing. There are plenty of other benefits from building with 2x6 construction, energy just isnt one of them. We want to install the boards on the ceiling also. All this sets the stage for three really, really big things that didnt seem like really, really big things at the time. DanHey Paul,Ive got an old single wide hillcrest trailer. Alan, Its as though the floor is solid in one area and not in the next, and it feels like its based on where the beams are beneath the structure. This other filling was often referred to as nogging and typically took the form of wattle-and-daub. Split branches or slats were woven together between vertical stakes creating a lattice (wattle) that was traditionally covered with a plaster-like material made of some combination of dirt, clay, sand, animal hair and animal dung and straw (daub) (Photograph 3). If that is the case with yours removing them is fine. It makes me wonder what could be done by someone with a case of caulk who knows what he is doing.The thing is, while the wall construction looks fragile, it did meet HUD standards. Hes recommending taking the siding off, putting up plywood and then wrapping with Tyvek and putting the siding back. Chicago lumber futures bottomed below the $400 per thousand feet mark as persistent fears of a demand-sapping global recession prompted some profit-taking after a massive rally drove prices to an over three-month high in early February. On smaller less expensive worker cottages there is often no board sheathing and no building paper just the clapboards. Photograph 2: Exposed Timber FrameOne hundred and fifty year timber frame house being renovated. I also calculated the cost difference to build that house with 2x6 instead of 2x4 construction. Oh yeah, its for a light/ceiling fan set up.Thank you!KaraPaulThe manufacturers are very shy about releasing any information. It is on concrete pillarsPaulIs that feet or inches? As I was researching this project I ran across a similar study on a 2,350 sq/ft house with similar details and the author came up with a total cost increase of $1,951.56 or $.83 per sq/ft of living space. Over time the wattle disappeared but the stucco stayed. It certainly wasnt designed for it. Maybe try giving the tank seals some time (hours/days?) HOME; INTERIORS; EXTERIORS; OFFICE & PORTRAITS; PUBLICITY/EVENTS; CONSTRUCTION; INFO I have been looking around under the unit and I cannotfigure out where the kitchen sink drain intersects the main sewer.None of the other appliances are plugged (bathroom sinks, toilets,tubs). WillPaul, I am glad I found YOU!. Problem was it looked like trailer decor and I couldnt stand looking at it every day. 54.173.119.173 Floors are solid. However most of this type of construction is in recent years (past decade) Better quality manufactured homes will have 26 studs and more affordable homes will have 2x3s. Should I do anything? Really. Carpet is installed, windows are caulked, interior doors are hung, etc. I think it is just what Im looking for. Faster and cheaper? Certainly, a house with a brick foundation was built before World War II. #11. Jeff KillenI have a double wide circa 1970s in southern Oregon. Look at the ceiling for evidence of water stains. No manufacturer would pay for even an extra foot of drain line. CasondraThank you so much. Should it be.PaulLeave it the way it came from the factory. I also have an ugly 7 flat ceilings. K. AustinWe are moving into a 76 by 16 single wide mobile home. Building Codes and Standards. VeronicaHi I am wanting to buy a mobile home1979 1464 the roof seems it needs repair. Its those linings and cavity fills that we are going to look at more closely. Can I remove the flat ceiling and vault the ceiling? Thanks for any input.PaulI dont know. If you have any type of blueprint to a trailer that old I would greatly appreciate it.ThanksPaulIm not an engineer, and have never seen any plans that show how such an opening must be supported. My problem is Im unsure of the construction under the metal sheet. In the Scandinavian countries the vertical boards were used to protect timber and log structures from weathering. To understand this we need to look both at the plank infill and the other stuff used as infill. Like the floor, pre-cut studs are laid out on a jig and nailed in place. In our town there is a big debate about exterior walls. Daniel Owens1996 Schult New Generation 16 X80 includes 4 tongue. Is the main electrical panel, done by the factory, at fault, did the AC installer make a mistake, etc. It was fairly common for older wood-framed buildings to have siding installed directly on the studs, without any intervening sheathing. It is the 2x6 stud, usually 8ft long, which are used for framing the exterior walls around the whole house. tami hendersonPlease help me. Now suppose an electrical breaker blows whenever the AC comes on. Relief came in the summer as the cost of wood gradually began to return to historically average levels. Your chances of recovering any of your investment are zero.I have heard from people in special circumstances where it made sense. The entire assembly is lifted with a hoist and moved over to where it can be set onto a floor. Lots of interesting things happen during transport. The home is almost worthless if it has be be moved.Especially if you have some handyman skills, many of these problems are not that difficult or expensive to fix. So, the main reason this design passed is the cooling load was lower than the increase in the heating load, not by much, but it was lower. Why? JonaThanks for your reply, sadly I dont have that kind of space available. Was working with 7 ceilings with wall support at 9 and 6 and 8 support of the 24 24. But greed and speed are often right there as well. Common characteristics included: 26 walls, stippled ceilings now standard, introduced PVC vinyl double pane windows, improved ventilation systems, skylights and vinyl or wood siding standard, no more metal siding. Ive been patching and sealing the metal roof and removing the rust. Wow. Vinyl is put in place and stapled around the edges (no adhesive). She is especially concerned about damage to the electical system.PaulI think this is getting beyond what a homeowner should try on their own. Guest #11 03-29-2002, 01:49 AM Re: 2x6 walls? My question is about the stove plug. joeSo my mobile home is to old to move so I am wanting to take the axles off of it is there any way that could cause an issuePaulAll the houses I moved were supported on blocks with the wheels and axels hanging from their mounts with no weight on them. Think about it, we did not change the I-Codes to require building paper for all houses until after 2000 less than a decade ago. These same bolts are what can be adjusted after the home is set, to stop floor squeaks. This is when protective mats are taken off the vinyl and any damage discovered. Check out this link (http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1999/4/1999_4_50.shtml). So I had 1/4 inch sheetrock installed over and glued to the panel board, ripped out the kitchen and bathrooms and replaced with standard cabinets and bath fixtures, replaced the carpet with laminate flooring, and replaced all the plumbing, lighting, windows, and doors. Id like to put it in the vault of the ceiling. If things get rushed, materials are badly warped, and the overhangs get trimmed with a router, the edge of the home may look like a snake. Mobile homes manufactured in 1976 or later were built to much higher standards required by the HUD (US Government Dept.
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